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Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2023-01-18 01:51	I think it would be best to ignore Vxctec. Now, Speedfreak's statement regarding the game is fair and well, I do see the light that FH5 will get better. I've criticized the game before and not once was I treated a heretic.
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Vxctec 2023-01-18 01:34	speedfreak975 wrote I never once mentioned franchises as a whole, speaking about latest installments. If you misunderstood thats not my issue. Unbound has been out since late November and wont get its 1st update until late January. Yet you are complaining about this over 1 year old game not giving you free new and exciting content every single week. Dont you think thats bit biased and hypocritical. Steam charts are also worst place to look for FH5 traffic considering alot of players played it through PC game pass or console and yet it still higher numbers than 2 month old NFS game on steam. Current state of FH5 is nowhere peak franchise, especially since anniversary but even in that state its still better than most of its competitors which is honestly sad state for the genre ingeneral. Hopefully 2nd expansion brings some liveliness again. Supposedly around Q1 2023 Steam charts for traffic? Since when did I mention anything about charts for traffic? I'm talking about the player base of FH5 falling down by a huge percentage, and there's more websites online that prove this metric, not just Steam charts. It seems as though my whole point has flown across your head once again. I am discoursing about glitches, and bug problems. These have been very problematic issues in FH5 for so long, and barely any action was taken into it. An update was sent out on December 6th, fixing a few flaws, but there's still more that plague the game. If you carefully read and paid attention to my posts, I have obviously never said that the game should be updated every week. However, they must still be taken into context. More player numbers? That's funny since it's very likely that the player count of FH5 is going to collapse shortly. Playground Games is in jeopardy at the moment. What about the other Forza games? Need For Speed games top above them. You still haven't answered my question as to why people leave Forza and switch to Need For Speed, the other Forza games have simply decayed, and I have spewed out the explanations. The Forza community is immensely brazen, filled with aggravated people who are quick to buck you once you criticize the game. Can we talk about how Forza has banned a player for 8,000 years because of a modded car customization theme??? Seems like a dictatorship of a game to me. I try to entice what game people could play in real life. Nobody chooses Forza for better gameplay, once again.
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2023-01-16 16:54	Well, we'll see how it goes in regards to the future of FH5, given the fact that Mike Brown has left PG. I'm hoping the new leadership can right the ship, but by then it's too late. I admit the updates have been crap lately but it's because they got their hands tied on Fable and the second expansion. Really I think Fable should be thrown out for good, because there's better RPGs in the world. And with a new developer emerging from Brown and several PG employees, I'm looking forward for their projects. They're open-world but they have not ruled out about it being a car game of some kind. I'm kinda curious on what the second expansion will be but my gut feeling it'll be Legos. Contrary to popular belief neither Hot Wheels nor Legos are geared towards children. Also with the FM reboot on the way in spring '23 I'm hoping they can build FH6 to its full potential. -- Last edit: 2023-01-16 16:55:48
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	speedfreak975 2023-01-16 07:30	I never once mentioned franchises as a whole, speaking about latest installments. If you misunderstood thats not my issue. Unbound has been out since late November and wont get its 1st update until late January. Yet you are complaining about this over 1 year old game not giving you free new and exciting content every single week. Dont you think thats bit biased and hypocritical. Steam charts are also worst place to look for FH5 traffic considering alot of players played it through PC game pass or console and yet it still higher numbers than 2 month old NFS game on steam. Current state of FH5 is nowhere peak franchise, especially since anniversary but even in that state its still better than most of its competitors which is honestly sad state for the genre ingeneral. Hopefully 2nd expansion brings some liveliness again. Supposedly around Q1 2023 -- Last edit: 2023-01-16 07:56:53
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Vxctec 2023-01-16 02:48	Attacker1997 wrote Nobody said that the entire franchise has more players than the others, it was just stated that FH5 is much more played today. Also, the fact that many people complain about the game don't prove that it's less played, many of these comments come from active players who just want improvements I have heard and know of so many people who abandoned FH5. Steam charts also show it. I highly doubt that FH5 is more played, and if I'm not wrong, I've seen a list of NFS MW having more players than FH5.
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2023-01-16 02:24	Okay, look. I wanted to restate some things I've noted throughout the criticism. FH5 has given us bland updates since the 10-year anniversary (and I even warned the entry of the disappointments). FH5 has piled on bugs to a magnitude beyond recognition. Playground has lagged behind on improvements. The Playlist is a slog, with seasonal championships being repetitive and given out paltry rewards (seriously, who even wants a Volvo 850 for the Nth time??). Exclusive cars are constantly given 20-pt requirements. They do not add past exclusives to autoshow. See what I mean? I love FH and I want serious improvements going forward. But it's too late for this game, and hopefully FH6 will deliver with great results.
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Attacker1997 2023-01-16 00:32	Vxctec wrote Aren't we all? Currently, both NFS Unbound and FH5 are available on 4 platforms. He says that the Forza franchise has more players than Need For Speed, and I try to prove to him that it really doesn't. Even the other person below agrees that Forza is awful. Nobody said that the entire franchise has more players than the others, it was just stated that FH5 is much more played today. Also, the fact that many people complain about the game don't prove that it's less played, many of these comments come from active players who just want improvements -- Last edit: 2023-01-16 00:38:34
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Vxctec 2023-01-15 22:41	Silnev wrote That is an incredibly disingenuous argument to make. You are comparing a game franchise that has been limited to a single platform for the majority of it's lifetime to a franchise that has been multiplatform and been around for almost 10 years longer than the other series. Aren't we all? Currently, both NFS Unbound and FH5 are available on 4 platforms. He says that the Forza franchise has more players than Need For Speed, and I try to prove to him that it really doesn't. Even the other person below agrees that Forza is awful.
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2023-01-15 22:22	Vxctec, I saw your post, and it made me want to smash my monitor to pieces. What statements you made was very much a spring bash against Forza Horizon in general. May I remind you that this series was, up until now, primarily relegated to one system (Xbox) and was limited until FH4 came to Steam on March 2021 (and to a lesser extent, PC starting in FH3 onward). Did you stop to think before you posted this totally inaccurate post filled to the brim with conspiracy theories? Also, how dare you insult the original Forza Horizon game, a legendary title that came out A DECADE ago, and is still beloved by many players, even veteran Forza players. As a man who has played practically all Forza games this is so wrong. Hell FH1 was miles better with everything made to cater a music festival and cars, hence the mantra 'Where Cars Belong!' Most people quit FH5 because they got sick of the time-gated events this has, and the same with FH4. Notice a pattern there? Can I also remind you that most of PG's current staff left to form their own game studio (as mentioned on the future releases entry)? Admittedly, Mike Brown did a poor job with FH5 and though it's true he made the concept of EventLab, he also made a lot of bad decisions that led to this state of the game. p.s. Speedfreak's view of the entry isn't wrong in the slightest, and I shared some opinions regarding the issues with FH5. -- Last edit: 2023-01-15 22:30:48
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Silnev 2023-01-15 21:23	Vxctec wrote Incorrect. According to Autobizz.com, the Need For Speed franchise is ranked at #2 as one of the best selling racing game franchises with 150 million copies. Forza is ranked at #6 with only 16 million copies. Your view is really wrong. That is an incredibly disingenuous argument to make. You are comparing a game franchise that has been limited to a single platform for the majority of it's lifetime to a franchise that has been multiplatform and been around for almost 10 years longer than the other series.
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Vxctec 2023-01-15 20:30	speedfreak975 wrote Yet the game still has more active players/traffic than both those games, yes updates especially since anniversary have been very bland but you cant expect them to give you a brand new car to the franchise every single week for next 3 to 4 years of updates when they have other things to work on (expansions and next game). NFS has been out for almost 2 months with no updates what so ever and TC2 gets 3-4 cars every 50 days. GT7 got its 1st decent update in December. Relatively speaking to how other racing games are doing now this is not worst out there Incorrect. According to Autobizz.com, the Need For Speed franchise is ranked at #2 as one of the best selling racing game franchises with 150 million copies. Forza is ranked at #6 with only 16 million copies. Your view is really wrong. More active traffic? Sir, there's a very little amount of traffic vehicles on the roads in FH5. Yes, NFS Unbound could use more modern traffic vehicles, but at least they are common around on the streets. I think you are also missing the point. What we mean is harder progression to earn better vehicles, since it's very lackluster to play Forza Horzion for less than 3 hours and somehow earn 50 cars. I understand that updates take time, but there have been an abhorrent amount of bugs in the game for so long, and not 1 developer at Playground Games really bothered to fix it. Where did you get your information from that the current NFS game isn't being updated? EA announced that there will be new/refreshed updates after January. There are by far, many advantages NFS has over Forza such as better maps, graphics, customization, police chases, storylines. The list goes on and on. What are the advantages Forza has? Only more vehicles, and the handling of some cars, but that's about it. Forza Horizon is simply a locked-down game with almost no freedom for anything. I couldn't last more than a week into FH5, I know some people who couldn't bother with Forza either. Finally, let's debunk how Forza is supposed to be a ''Realistic driving experience'' but then they proceed to add DLCs such as Lego? Why? It breaks the immersion in the game, which deters more people from buying it. Forza Horzion could be better if the developers actually listened to their players and took the time out to transform their game. Lazy development is the obvious sign here. Asphalt is also mediocre nonsense that I will never play ever again. Both games are terrible. Some of us go for games where we want a lot of action, others go for games where they only want to drive normally. Forza is lagging and is falling behind, it's clearly obvious, and in all honesty, this has to be the most hated game not only throughout the Forza Horizon series, but also the entire Forza franchise. Forza Horizon 1 was boring, but it has a little more compared to the current one. Again, Forza doesn't adapt to the ideas of their player base and go ahead to change that. This is why people cannot bother with Forza and then switch to NFS. Nobody would ever quit a NFS game and switch to Forza and then find it better. You can go ahead and view the complaints of both Unbound and FH5, FH5 has more. EA has more common sense. I can write far more than this, but if you want to go ahead, then go ahead. I will be on this site later and see what happens.
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2023-01-15 19:06	Speedfreak I do understand your reasoning why FH5 isn't as bad as it sounds but some of us are pretty upset with this game for legitimate reasons. Yes, you can understand why I'm disgusted with the recycled cars being overdone ('46 Super Deluxe on this entry, that is if you can find it), and PG has their reasons and I understand not every most-wanted car can be licensed quickly (do you know NDAs?). The reason why I declared the game as a "shambolic state" is because of the fact that there are major bugs (your mileage may vary on console) that PG will not fix. Like recently I changed a factory color on my recently acquired Megane RS250 and somehow it got its windows black for no reason. FCA Italia brands are still not in the game (I know they're under Stellantis, and I hate that name). And yet many new racing games still have 'em. So is it a licensing problem or is PG holding them back? I also noted a lot more leftover cars (notably, '12 Vanquish and Evora S) that are soon to be more dripfed content. Other examples are a '16 Vulcan, a Hudson Hornet on the DM playlist, a Huayra clearly shown on the FH1 remake intro, and the Tuscan on the S15 Autumn banner. When you get down to this, you'll realize this is just FH4 with a new map and lost so much content that they tried to replace. Can you also explain the sudden presence of Chinese cars they've been adding lately? Can you explain why we got a rehashed HW expansion that is just wasted potential? The core gameplay works, the rest of the game is just disappointing. I do agree the game needs a lot of work and polish. Just my two cents. -- Last edit: 2023-01-15 22:26:44
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	speedfreak975 2023-01-15 08:45	Yet the game still has more active players/traffic than both those games, yes updates especially since anniversary have been very bland but you cant expect them to give you a brand new car to the franchise every single week for next 3 to 4 years of updates when they have other things to work on (expansions and next game). NFS has been out for almost 2 months with no updates what so ever and TC2 gets 3-4 cars every 50 days. GT7 got its 1st decent update in December. Relatively speaking to how other racing games are doing now this is not worst out there
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Vxctec 2023-01-14 23:10	carknower wrote Yes, that`s true, the biggest turn off in this game, is the very bland Mexican setting, and that some of the most beloved makes like Alfa Romeo, Lancia and Abarth are not in the game, due to deranged tree huggers in Italy banning them from Forza due to emission bugs, + the fact that the updates only bring cars featured in the earlier games. No wonder 6 highly ranked staff members just left Playground Games for other projects, i am starting to have doubts that we will see an FH6 after this failure, not to mention all the thousands of bugs still present in the game. It is severely shocking. No wonder this game has lost 75% of it’s players after a few months of being released. The lack of progression and hard work is clearly the reason why Forza games are so horribly disliked. Can we also talk about how shitty the DLCs are? I can tell you that this is another driving game franchise that will be left by the wayside and will soon be forgotten. Why not Switzerland or Japan? They had to put Mexico in the game, worse case scenario is that it may be a very big map, but majority of it consists of only deserted land, it feels lifeless. NFS and even The Crew manage to strive while Playground games is lately struggling to place patches onto the game. Ridiculous!
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	carknower 2023-01-14 13:17	Vxctec wrote Forza just has to decay itself even more. The franchise has clearly fallen into the rabbit hole, it has not only gotten boring, but absolutely worse. Yes, that`s true, the biggest turn off in this game, is the very bland Mexican setting, and that some of the most beloved makes like Alfa Romeo, Lancia and Abarth are not in the game, due to deranged tree huggers in Italy banning them from Forza due to emission bugs, + the fact that the updates only bring cars featured in the earlier games. No wonder 6 highly ranked staff members just left Playground Games for other projects, i am starting to have doubts that we will see an FH6 after this failure, not to mention all the thousands of bugs still present in the game.
Lamborghini Sián FKP 37 Roadster Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2023-01-05 17:00	Horribly rushed, too. Interior details are lacking and well, not worth the Secret Santa prize. There was even a thread about it but unfortunately it will not get fixed. As a man who craves detail it is such a pain that the third-most requested car is riddled with misfires. And they should've added the coupe. Who in the hell requested its even more limited Roadster??
Lamborghini Sián FKP 37 Roadster Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Ayaka601 2023-01-05 06:13	That's so fancy car !!!!
Toyota Camry NASCAR Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	MuhammadOkky86 2023-01-04 16:36	The origin is USA, not Japan.
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2023-01-02 00:26	This franchise indeed is ruined. FH5 is in a shambolic state that it's shockingly horrible. Over 200 cars from FH4 were just cut, PG just adds more and more bugs on top on another, the game's Festival Playlist is in dire need of a fix, their livestreams are the very definition of pedantry. I regret spending $100 off this. This is FH4.5 with worse bugs than a trip to Luxembourg. And I wrote a very long article on GTPlanet to justify this mess. I love how the PG staff makes their livestreams like a backyard BBQ party and pretending the game is not in a shambolic state. Each update has been more and more lackluster and the recycling has accelerated even faster than ever before. On another contrast, they've been adding Chinese cars like crazy, which gives the general impression that FH6 will end up in China. Spinning the obnoximeter even faster is the fact that they treat new players that they are getting "new" content when they start to realize that the so-called "new" content is cars that were previously available in older Forzas, for free (some of it is paid DLC). Furthermore they added more nonsensical content like more clothes, ridiculous and forced product placement (Extreme E and Dumbnut Media come to mind) and just fixing the barest minimum of bugs. The other reason is that even though we have a large amount of new metal, PG has no interest in licensing ANY of the other cars. Genesis, Infiniti Q60 production model, Maserati MC20, Ford GT Mk II, new M2, the Countach LPI, and it goes on and on. In its place is, you guessed it, more recycled content. I can however think of two things about those reasons: Covid, and the fact that the talented arm of Playground is stuck working on the Fable reboot. But I am at least thankful the cars are returning, but they shouldn't be jammed like an afterthought. Like with the DM update and the woodies. -- Last edit: 2023-01-02 00:42:38
Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Vxctec 2023-01-01 23:59	Forza just has to decay itself even more. The franchise has clearly fallen into the rabbit hole, it has not only gotten boring, but absolutely worse.
Mitsubishi Galant Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	PurpleRain666 2022-12-30 21:05	burninrubber12345 wrote Not drivable, why? I don't know why this vehicle is exclusive to npc cars but in forza horizon 3 and forza horizon 4 this vehicle is drivable
Plymouth Fury Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	carknower 2022-12-23 14:27	Christine is back
Nash Metropolitan Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	KarltheLG 2022-12-23 03:04	Bruisemobile wrote That surname. Funny.
Hot Wheels Twin Mill Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Victor_2003 2022-12-22 21:00	Bruisemobile wrote I imagine the real version of this vehicle would be incredibly thirsty. Someone created a real replica.
Nash Metropolitan Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Bruisemobile 2022-12-22 20:04	That surname.
Hot Wheels Twin Mill Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Bruisemobile 2022-12-22 20:02	I imagine the real version of this vehicle would be incredibly thirsty.
Cupra UrbanRebel Concept Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2022-12-09 22:06	The same goes for the 300 SLR, except this one is much cheaper than 100+ million credits.
Cupra UrbanRebel Concept Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Attacker1997 2022-12-09 21:09	So, it's not unlockable
Cupra UrbanRebel Concept Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Daboi492 2022-12-09 11:47	Also purchaseable for 2,000,000cr
Cupra UrbanRebel Concept Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	KarltheLG 2022-12-04 01:45	burninrubber12345 wrote Nope! Also RaceRoom got the Cupra. Sorry, wrong again! My mistake, dudes.
Nissan Skyline Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Keitanyan 2022-12-03 16:30	Is that a bionic hand?
Cupra UrbanRebel Concept Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	burninrubber12345 2022-12-03 16:23	KarltheLG wrote Exactly, the first Cupra manufacturer in IGCD! Nope! Also RaceRoom got the Cupra. -- Last edit: 2022-12-03 16:24:48
Cupra UrbanRebel Concept Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	KarltheLG 2022-12-03 06:21	Ericwanted wrote Finally, a real Cupra at Forza Horizon :love: Exactly, the first Cupra manufacturer in IGCD!
MG 6 XPower Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2022-12-03 05:47	This looks interesting... Seems like FH5 has been rapidly propagating with the Chinese fever lately. Might be quite some wholesome fun with this.
Cupra UrbanRebel Concept Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2022-12-03 05:45	Looks promising but they should have included the non-touring model instead. Hopefully we will see additional Cupras and eventually SEAT products in the future.
Renault Mégane RS Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2022-12-03 05:43	Yet another car that should have been at launch. And it's the 20-pt prize for summer Series 16. -- Last edit: 2023-01-05 17:23:13
Cupra UrbanRebel Concept Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Ericwanted 2022-12-03 03:42	Finally, a real Cupra at Forza Horizon P.D.: "Is that a Cupra?" -- Last edit: 2022-12-05 04:59:46
AMC Rebel Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Skid 2022-12-02 22:54	Yaaaaay! I logged over 1,000 virtual miles in the one I had in Horizon 3, and not much less in Horizon 4.
MG 6 XPower TCR Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	pwingcustom 2022-12-02 22:04	This would be a nice complement to the Lynk & Co 03 TCR.
Renault Clio R.S. 16 Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Daboi492 2022-12-02 11:12	Now this is a return I can get behind
Schuppan 962CR Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2022-11-11 18:49	The one PG modeled is the production version.
Schuppan 962CR Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Daboi492 2022-11-11 12:29	Road-going 962s are very confusing. There’s this, another version of the Schuppan, the Dauer, the Koenig and the one that’s just a race car converted for road use. That’s no more then 5 road-going 962s!
Lynk & Co 03 TCR Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	speedfreak975 2022-11-11 07:54	Probably happened because I locked the brakes going into a heavily banked corner in FWD car, and took image on the apex
Lynk & Co 03 TCR Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	pwingcustom 2022-11-10 20:15	The car looks like it's tripod-ing in pic 2. Can you do that in the game?
Ford Super De Luxe Station Wagon Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2022-11-10 18:26	This is sad. This car should have been at launch and it once again was drip-fed again. This is beyond unacceptable. Dear PG, how hard is it for you to understand that recycling cars is bad? Every car is not individually licensed... It is horrible. Beyond horrible that this was cut for no reason at all. Am I the only one who thinks this is unspeakably bad? Seriously. -- Last edit: 2022-11-10 18:27:34
Lynk & Co 03 TCR Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	carknower 2022-11-06 12:10	www.cyanracing.com/concept-cars/lynk-co-03-tcr
Morris Mini Traveller Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2022-11-04 14:38	Great... yet more rehashed content. WTF. I keep telling you this game seems to cater to the "player engagement" stats rather than its fans. And of all times it had to be the Donut Media update. Christ, why does PG need to do this?? They have the license.... Why did it have to be cut in the first place. This is startin' to become a problem with this game. The rehashed content just keeps getting worse and worse. And it's nefarious that this is allowed.
GE ES44AC Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Epicstormchaser 2022-10-28 19:52	This looks like a SD70ACe with a crushed cab & extremely odd proportions. It also is rocking a Ferromex inspired Livery www.pinterest.com/pin/railpicturesnet-photo-fxe-4050-ferromex-emd-sd70ace-at-pedley-california-by-matthew-griffin--309481805629282173/
Ford Mustang Mach-E 1400 Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	TheGreaser 2022-10-27 04:00	It's not bad in layman's terms. This was penned by Vaughn Gittin, Junior. And he was with RTR so this tracks. And the unlockable really fits with the Drift Club gamut, so naturally anything Forumla Drift and RTR go hand-in hand with the story that arrived on Series 6. Hopefully we get a production model proper soon.
Ford Mustang Mach-E 1400 Forza Horizon 5 (2021)	Silnev 2022-10-26 05:43	Vxctec wrote Every real car person/enthusiast knows that Teslas are the real asinine and garbage EVs that exist in our society today. Original take there pal.

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