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2008 Ferrari California 'Grotti Carbonizzare'

2008 Ferrari California 'Grotti Carbonizzare' in Grand Theft Auto V, Action, 2013

Class: Cars, Convertible — Origin: IT

Playable Vehicle Playable vehicle

2008 Ferrari California 'Grotti Carbonizzare'

Picture provided by : speedfreak975

2008 Ferrari California 'Grotti Carbonizzare'

Picture provided by : speedfreak975

2008 Ferrari California 'Grotti Carbonizzare'

Picture provided by : Jonathan6506

Comments about this vehicle

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carcrasher88 US (20)

2012-11-12 19:09

Hand gestures while behind the wheel...that's new. :D

FRANKIE SAYS RELAX DE (0)

2012-11-12 19:18

carcrasher88 wrote Hand gestures while behind the wheel...that's new. :D



yeah nice =)

stryder237 EN (3)

2012-11-12 20:19

Police SUV in background. Probably a patriot, maybe a cavalcade. Or something new.

lcpdcv US (52)

2012-11-12 21:08

carcrasher88 wrote Hand gestures while behind the wheel...that's new. :D

You can now flip off people, both onfoot and in vehicle. Sweet.

daviddiaz21 ES (0)

2012-11-12 22:05

New Elegy

carcrasher88 US (20)

2012-11-12 22:13

^...or a successor. Either way, pretty darn cool addition, can't wait to see what else R* has in store.

Hamisxa PL (1)

2012-11-12 22:40

Damn finally a Skyline (GTR) after 7 years......
God better look like a Skyline from the rear ;p

ALiXoV3rDoS3 AU (0)

2012-11-13 04:49

There's more Aston Martin Zagato here than GT-R.

carcrasher88 US (20)

2012-11-13 04:59

Nope, this is pure R35 GT-R.

Various different parts of this car give it away as R*'s version of the R35.

- Side intake design on front fender

- Side window shape

- Has similar LED strips on front bumper, like all 2011+ facelift models

Only large differences are the fact that the hood slopes down up front like a TVR, and the Camaro-like rear fender shape. Everything else (that's been seen so far) is pure R35.

dorifto98 ID (0)

2012-11-13 12:49

yep.. more Aston V12 Zagato to me, but I glad if it's turns out to be GT-R wannabe if the back doesn't look like V12 Zagato

Hamisxa PL (1)

2012-11-13 18:04

Firstly the front fender looks nothing like the V12 zagato's.
The light's don't eighter and the Zagato's rear is more circular.
And this car reminds me of a Mixture of the Nissan GT-R 2009 with the Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superlaggera

Gijs571 NL (1)

2012-11-13 20:06

Definitely a Nissan GTR with some 370Z resembles

k9underdogg AR (0)

2012-11-14 04:03

the final version is gonna look nothing like this I bet

GTAmaniac US (0)

2012-11-20 15:41

k9underdogg wrote the final version is gonna look nothing like this I bet

you're right, this is a beta version because it doesn't have a badge, only cars that appeared in GTA IV Have a name and a badge, despite being a new generation or just a facelift

EscudoPikesPeak TH (1)

2013-01-01 02:16

This doesnt looks like GTR R35..... more like SRT Viper 2012

ItsaUserName EN (69)

2013-01-09 22:59

Hmm I wouldn't jump to conclusions and call this a GT-R just yet. It could pretty much be any Pacific-originating supercar or concept produced in the past 5 years.

EscudoPikesPeak TH (1)

2013-01-13 14:41



this is Nissan GT-R 2012 model... does they look same to you? well change it to SRT Viper because look the front parts

D J Finn US (0)

2013-01-31 05:50

I think it's the new Vette...

www.designboom.com/technology/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray/

EscudoPikesPeak TH (1)

2013-01-31 12:08

they put this picture BEFORE vette was release....

D J Finn US (0)

2013-02-04 07:23

Maybe they got the info about the Vette while making the car... or maybe Chevrolet ripped off the design from this game, like Dodge did with the Banshee & the new SRT Viper. :wow: *dramatic music*

NismoR35 US (0)

2013-02-04 07:49



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Skyline159 FR (35)

2013-02-22 15:06

It's not of GT-R R35...

jus1029 PH (24)

2013-03-29 13:28

The front fascia looks like the modern-day Lancia Stratos.
www.specialist-auto.fr/8980-lancia-stratos-animee-par-un-v8-et-de-nouveau-photographiee/

But, I do see some GT-R elements.

-- Last edit: 2013-03-29 15:35:18 (walter)

NismoR35 US (0)

2013-03-29 16:47

jus1029 wrote The front fascia looks like the modern-day Lancia Stratos.
www.specialist-auto.fr/8980-lancia-stratos-animee-par-un-v8-et-de-nouveau-photographiee/

But, I do see some GT-R elements.


Whoever posted the car on GTAWiki had the "Grotti" in the image's name, GTAWIKIA doesn't say though, not saying it's going to be manufactured by Grotti, but it's hard to say.

Gijs571 NL (1)

2013-05-05 14:16

Judging from the trailer (I spotted one there) it looks more like a Nissan 370Z with GT-R elements.

Maxine (24)

2013-05-18 15:37

Kinda looks like a corvette to me at first, I dident see the GTR untill someone said it, But yeah, I really see the GTR, mabye its some wierd Corvette Nissan GTR hybred.. even for GTA that would be a weird combination. still havent seen the back, allso another find from your resident repeat trailer watchr, anybody else spot the convertible vertion?.. Trevors trailer

jokerelite US (0)

2013-05-19 07:22

You've got to be kidding me. That looks NOTHING like any GT-R ever. It's looks much more like a Ferrari 458 Italia

www.wikipediatrade.com/img/Ferrari-458-Italia-1.jpg

www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2009/09/ferrari_458_02.jpg

Andra125 SI (8)

2013-05-19 07:45

It's a nearly prefect match:

ItsaUserName EN (69)

2013-05-19 12:09

jokerelite wrote You've got to be kidding me. That looks NOTHING like any GT-R ever. It's looks much more like a Ferrari 458 Italia

www.wikipediatrade.com/img/Ferrari-458-Italia-1.jpg

www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2009/09/ferrari_458_02.jpg

As you put it in your own words, it looks NOTHING like a 458. If it wasn't for the red paint, no-one would've said Ferrari by now.

440 mopar CA (0)

2013-05-19 16:17

The scalloped fender/door does look like a GT-R, but the rear looks too tall to be a front engined car. The shape looks more like a mid engine car of some sort.

Maxine (24)

2013-06-28 22:52

hm, I think my comment is easy to missunderstand so Im going to clear this up,

I Dont, think its a GTR But, I can really see the GTR influence,
I still think its a corvette tho, but it does have a GTR windsheild, headlights and side vent, on a corvette body, and I guess we still havent seen the rear so who knows,

so yeah, I shall laugh, when I get the game and find its rear wheel drive, and V8, and hell if its named something that puns corvette, Awsome,

But it definatly, 100% has some parts fomr a GTR, on an american lookin car? odd combination all the same,

still I was over at IGTA a short while ago, they have it listed as Aston Martin Zagato, Seriusly, who aloud that to be posted?

jeffdesign CA (0)

2013-08-13 23:54

to my eyes, the car look more like C6 corvette with a front end of GTR/C7 corvette!

farm4.staticflickr.com/3554/3674682855_f8181f64b5_z.jpg?zz=1

civic_eg6_94 ID (71)

2013-08-14 11:36

Never expect it would be manufactured by Grotti ._.

Tycek PL (169)

2013-08-14 12:13

Me neither, that's why I change it back to Unknown. I was quite sure it will be based on Nissan, but it looks like R* choose Ferrari.

J-2 ES (1317)

2013-08-14 12:27

Weird. But remember, this is a game, it doesn't matter which manufacturer makes it in the game, it looks like a Nissan GT-R without any doubt, and also, no Ferrari I can think of looks like that. 100% R35 GT-R in my opinion.

Tycek PL (169)

2013-08-14 12:33

There is another problem, because this car got back taken straight from Aston Martin Zagato with only difference being 4 taillights instead of 2. So we got Aston with Nissan R-35 front and since their sides are quite similar, we got nice mashup.

J-2 ES (1317)

2013-08-14 13:58

I forgot about the rear...still R35 for me. Front (headlights, grill, DRL) side (A pillar in black, side vent) gives it away. I think the Zagato rear, as usual, is there to make the car more different (The Super GT and Turismo in GTA IV had "wrong" rears) and maybe it's branded as a Grotti for the same reason.

Antti-san FI (38)

2013-08-14 14:15

Where can I see this rear you guys are talking about?

Tycek PL (169)

2013-08-14 15:34

couttandschutz.com/vehicledatabase/nc/azvehdatab_NC20_2.jpg
Here's the pic of the back.

-- Last edit: 2013-08-14 15:34:27

civic_eg6_94 ID (71)

2013-08-14 18:45

IMHO, this has no resemblance to Ferrari despite it's manufactured by Grotti. The closest Ferrari probably a 599 GTB Fiorano, but still not pretty much resemble this car. Overall, I see it more like a Corvette-ish with C7 headlights, and I don't see any R35 in this car.

Tycek PL (169)

2013-08-14 18:51

Anything but Corvette

Gijs571 NL (1)

2013-08-17 11:36

Tycek wrote http://couttandschutz.com/vehicledatabase/nc/azvehdatab_NC20_2.jpg
Here\'s the pic of the back.

After seeing that pic, I think it's a Aston Martin V12 Zagato.

ND4SPD Racer SG (20)

2013-08-17 11:50

In-game name is mispelled, it should be Carbonizzare, not Carbonnizare

-- Last edit: 2013-08-17 12:01:30

Hamisxa PL (1)

2013-08-20 22:44

Front looks like Lambo Gallardo lights and body shape of the GT-R

IanE55 MX (0)

2013-09-12 05:27

Aston V12 Zagato

dragonboy AU (16)

2013-09-12 15:04

From the front of the doors backwards, its definitely the Aston Zagato, the front isnt though

car-dude44 CA (26)

2013-09-20 05:47

It's a hardtop convertible in the game.

Skid US (0)

2013-09-23 17:58

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the car it's primarily supposed to be based on: The Ferrari California.

Desscythe17 TK (3)

2013-09-24 01:07

Skid wrote I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the car it's primarily supposed to be based on: The Ferrari California.

I guess the body and taillights are very decisive, and there's not a lot of California to be seen, although I understand how you could see that.

challengerman123 SX (0)

2013-09-26 09:53

Skid wrote I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the car it's primarily supposed to be based on: The Ferrari California.

i would say its a ferrari aswell because grotti is gta's equivalent of ferrari so i would say its the california mixed with an f12 berlinetta and aston martin v12 zagato

Attacker1997 BR (130)

2013-10-04 00:30

Ferrari F12 Berlinetta

uwotm8 US (0)

2013-10-04 00:32

Skid wrote I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the car it's primarily supposed to be based on: The Ferrari California.

Exactly.

vgjunkie87 US (0)

2013-10-13 08:20

IMO this car is obviously the Ferrari 458 Italia, or at least a combination of different Ferraris.

spamllama EN (0)

2013-10-29 03:09

When given the correct set of wheels from LS Customs and a nice red paint job, this car is dead certainly a mix between a Ferrari California and an F12 the only 'Zagato' thing about it is the rear tail lights.

J-2 ES (1317)

2013-10-29 03:25

Only the rear lights?

The entire rear I would say. And the side (specially that vent on the fender) the A pillar...if you put the top up, is basically a Zagato with an altered front. Obviosly is was supposed to be a California, but it's mainly a Zagato, period.

Tuppence870 UK (57)

2013-11-02 17:17

In any other game, somebody would've screamed "Made For Game" by now and that would be the accepted answer...

In my opinion, it should be listed as a V12 Zagato, but the front does take inspiration from various current Ferrari models.

Tuppence870 UK (57)

2013-12-19 01:43

For anyone claiming that the Cheetah's rear has Made For Game written all over it, just remember that the front of this bears no resemblance to the Aston Martin V12 Zagato.

Lombax AU (0)

2014-01-17 09:49

Grotti = Ferrari
Dewbauchee = Aston Martin

Five Aston Martins listed - four Dewbauchees.... One of these things is not like the others.

Ferrari California, with 458 headlights. It's really not that difficult people...

J-2 ES (1317)

2014-01-17 15:09

It seems it is. The name is worth nothing, in many cases yes, but it's not a rule at all. The Citroën Mehari is listed as a Karin, and that doesn't make it a Toyota, among other examples.

Maybe it was supposed to be a California, but is deadly obvious that they took the main body cues off a V12 Zagato. Rear and sides are identical. This is about what the car looks like, not what is supposed to be.

carcrasher88 US (20)

2014-01-17 15:47

J-2 wrote The Citroën Mehari is listed as a Karin, and that doesn't make it a Toyota, among other examples.


Correction: It's a Canis (the GTA version of Jeep), not a Karin. But, your point still stands.

Tuppence870 UK (57)

2014-03-18 13:47

If the Cheetah is considered Made For Game, then this should also be.

Tycek PL (169)

2014-03-18 18:48

Nope, because everything except the front is taken directly for Zagato.

Lombax AU (0)

2014-05-16 06:06

Look at the *rear* shots of all the Dewbauchee vehicles (except the JB 700) then compare to the rear shot of this vehicle.

It may resemble the real-life Zagato but has no resemblance to the in-game cars that are *actually* based on Aston Martins.

Including the brand new Massacro.

Tycek PL (169)

2014-05-18 09:30

So? Are we judging the looks by the real life or virtual vehicles? I'd say it still looks more like Zagato and should stay as one.

Lombax AU (0)

2014-05-26 20:42

It doesn't make sense for this to be an Aston. I still say Ferrari California but more specifically the 2015 model

www.netcarshow.com/ferrari/2015-california_t/

Every Dewbauchee resembles an Aston Martin, every Pegassi resembles a Lamborghini, every Grotti resembles a Ferrari, every Vapid resembles a Ford etc.

The 'Canis Kalahari' is the only exception because there is no GTA equivalent of Citroen.

BTW Here's the front of the Zagato - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Red_Aston_Martin_V12_Zagato_fr_IAA_2011.jpg - no similarity.

-- Last edit: 2014-05-26 20:49:07

J-2 ES (1317)

2014-05-27 01:18

It's a game. As you said, the Mehari is a Canis because there's no Citroën, but this is the same case. Who knows why they used a Zagato as main influence when this is supposed to be a Ferrari, but again, this is not about what's supposed to be, it's about what it looks like. You are looking at the tip of the iceberg, ignoring the rest of it. Yup, different front. But with the roof up, both from the rear and the sides, this screams V12 Zagato all over the place. A very simple matter.

Tuppence870 UK (57)

2014-05-27 03:02

Lombax wrote It doesn't make sense for this to be an Aston. I still say Ferrari California but more specifically the 2015 model

www.netcarshow.com/ferrari/2015-california_t/


I'd like to say that I agree, but the first screenshots of the Grotti Carbonizzare were released in 2012 (check the dates of the first posts in this thread). It would be very unlikely for Rockstar to have access to images of the 2015 California at such an early date.

-- Last edit: 2014-05-27 03:02:36

XThUnDeRX CA (173)

2014-05-27 15:38

Tuppence870 wrote

I'd like to say that I agree, but the first screenshots of the Grotti Carbonizzare were released in 2012 (check the dates of the first posts in this thread). It would be very unlikely for Rockstar to have access to images of the 2015 California at such an early date.


It was probably meant to be a Ferrari California, however I think when Rockstar designed the Carbonizzare, they unknowingly made it appear like it resembled more of the V12 Zagato. Everytime I look at the back of this car, all I see is V12 Zagato.

burgerman360 MX (0)

2015-07-05 05:42

+1 for Ferrari California.

dragonboy AU (16)

2015-07-05 06:10

THis has been an Aston for ages, which i still believe overall it is, its stayed that way and i dont see any reason why it should change, so just leave it

speedfreak975 LB (474)

2015-07-06 14:27

I think its a ferrari California for two main reasons:
- Its a grotti (ferrari parody)
- Its a front engine rear wheel drive hardtop convertible (aka California) with rear and front of AM.
This happened with the turismo r its basically a p1 but was put as a laferrari for its specs and badge.
spec wise the car resembles the ferrari California

-- Last edit: 2015-07-06 14:46:31

speedfreak975 LB (474)

2015-07-06 15:02

Also the headlights of this and the massacro are similar and both were inspired by a F12berlinetta

Tycek PL (169)

2015-12-03 18:34

So despite the fact that this car looks almost like a V12 Zagato with changed front and we should base our judgement how the car looks, not what it was suppose to be, someone changed it to California? Nicely done.

Automotive Gaming IT (50)

2015-12-03 18:41

I will just leave these here.

i.imgur.com/m9pg5JW.jpg

preview.netcarshow.com/Aston_Martin-V12_Zagato_Concept-2011-1280-03.jpg

-- Last edit: 2015-12-03 18:41:46

speedfreak975 LB (474)

2015-12-03 19:02

This car will remain a Ferrari because let's not lie to each other if people can't rap their heads over a R32 skyline wagon , I can't rap my head around a convertible Zagato because they both don't EXIST (production wise). Either this and the stratum are changed or this remains a Ferrari because it's a hardtop RWD front engined grotti (Ferrari parody) aka a California

Tuppence870 UK (57)

2015-12-03 19:47

And here goes the biggest debate on IGCD - can game developers create new body styles for real cars?

The simple answer is yes, because these are not real vehicles, they are lines of code tied to a 3D model and some textures. Since these cars are not licensed, the developer is free to do whatever they want with the car, hence why we get cars like the Surano - a Mercedes SLS with Jaguar F-Type details.

Here, we are looking at an Aston Martin V12 Zagato (check all of the rear details: body shape, lights, side vents, side windows, bumper, etc.) with some Ferrari-ish details slapped on and a unique convertible roof added, before it gets pushed under the Grotti name, the equivalent of Ferrari. Like the Coil Voltic, which is a Lotus Elise implied to be a Tesla Roadster, the Grotti Carbonizzare is an Aston Martin pretending to be a Ferrari California, so should be listed as the Aston.

On a side note, I'd like to point out the double standards of our old friend Tycek, who is perfectly happy with this convertible Zagato, but still can't come to terms with a wagon Skyline (*hint, hint*).

-- Last edit: 2015-12-03 20:07:04

speedfreak975 LB (474)

2015-12-03 20:15

Yes, the cars aren't lincensed meaning developers can modify them as they please but some people can't accept it , anyways the only way this becomes an Aston Martin Zagato is if the stratum becomes a R32 skyline

-- Last edit: 2015-12-03 20:15:35

JFK CZ (365)

2015-12-03 20:38

Tycek wrote So despite the fact that this car looks almost like a V12 Zagato with changed front and we should base our judgement how the car looks, not what it was suppose to be, someone changed it to California? Nicely done.

Did I edited it back to Aston right? I dont know if it was 2011 or 2012.
To Ferrari/Aston debate, I am on side of Aston. It is like to say that Lampadati Pigalle should be judged by its not much significant rear. It is Citroen SM, because the front end is 100% accurate and rest of the body kinda fits. If you look on the back, it is 100% Aston, and front is maybe Ferrari influenced, but that is minimum in overall look of Aston.
I would tell that this is a California few months ago, but after I saw Aston, it is Aston and that is end of the story.

Tycek PL (169)

2015-12-03 21:07

Tuppence870 wrote
On a side note, I'd like to point out the double standards of our old friend Tycek, who is perfectly happy with this convertible Zagato, but still can't come to terms with a wagon Skyline (*hint, hint*).


Double standards my ass, but I see you're trying to be cool by making it personal. I believe that we all agree coming here that cars should be identified by their looks (which I even stated before on this very page). For me Stratum is oversized and modified Subaru Impreza Wagon and I will stand by it. Sure it has Skyline front (I am not denying that), but the rest of the car is not Skyline imo. Same goes here as I don't care if coupe was turned into convertible or sedan into wagon. This car here is not California, because it should be one. It's an Aston Martin because it looks like one. Fact that it was turned into convertible to look like California doesn't matter if 80% of the car looks nothing like it.

-- Last edit: 2015-12-03 21:07:42

speedfreak975 LB (474)

2015-12-03 21:35

The stratum has been edited to be a 1989 skyline GTS-4 if that edit isn't accepted tycek than you prove that double standards exists, because concept wise this and the startum are the same case except the stratum is a clearer case that no one wants to understand.
Edit: just because you don't fully agree with the majority that doesn't make you right ,

-- Last edit: 2015-12-03 21:44:37

Tycek PL (169)

2015-12-03 22:02

The last applies to everybody on this world, don't forget about that, because many people here and everywhere else are using the same way to create double standards.

And what the here are you about? I wasn't the one changing the Stratum back and forth, I changed it twice iirc (once to Subaru and once to MFG), so stop for Christ's sake trying to turn me into some crazy bad guy here running amok and changing cars to whatever he seems to like.

speedfreak975 LB (474)

2015-12-03 22:08

Tycek wrote The last applies to everybody on this world, don't forget about that, because many people here and everywhere else are using the same way to create double standards.

And what the here are you about? I wasn't the one changing the Stratum back and forth, I changed it twice iirc (once to Subaru and once to MFG), so stop for Christ's sake trying to turn me into some crazy bad guy here running amok and changing cars to whatever he seems to like.

I'm not making you into anything, I'm talking to you arnt you an admin ? You have the power to change it and honestly half of the people on the stratum page agreed it's a r32 so why not put it that. I find it ridiculous that this car was never stated as MFG and the stratum was considered as one. I never attacked you. I addressed you because your name is orange. The exist thing can't be used considering this and the stratum arnt real life cars

-- Last edit: 2015-12-03 22:09:46

Burn Rubber US (346)

2015-12-03 23:06

ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW.

I come back on IGCD and the only thing I see is another fucking argument on GTA V. That's 3 cars we've had a war over. Ingot, Stratum, And now the Carbonizzare! For the love of god, Can we just forget GTA V ever existed???

Tuppence870 UK (57)

2015-12-04 00:25

Tycek wrote I wasn't the one changing the Stratum back and forth, I changed it twice iirc (once to Subaru and once to MFG), so stop for Christ's sake trying to turn me into some crazy bad guy here running amok and changing cars to whatever he seems to like.


But you did still change it back to both Subaru and MFG at a time when the generally accepted consensus was for Skyline, just because you personally didn't see it. Need I remind you that you referred to my carefully constructed evidence as "I'm right just because, and you're wrong", and that this is not the only time that you've blatantly ignored the evidence in favour of your own opinions.

As for anybody complaining in caps lock and exclamation marks, please just stop. Apparently we can't have a sensible discussion around here without somebody calling it a war. We're here to identify cars, so a heated debate about the identity of cars is hardly a problem.

And although I've run out of time tonight, I should be able to finally complete the Stratum stratagem tomorrow or at the weekend. I had wanted things to calm down a little before I posted it, but clearly the longer I leave this, the worse it's going to get.

-- Last edit: 2015-12-04 00:30:57

Burn Rubber US (346)

2015-12-04 00:37

Okay it would have been better if you had just said my name. Im sick and tired of this GTA shit and I dont care anymore. Rockstar can kiss my ass. Im done. Have fun getting in more disputes about these damn GTA cars!

Automotive Gaming IT (50)

2015-12-04 17:58

GamerFIB7590 wrote My reaction to THIS SHIT AGAIN!


what's the sense of such a useless comment apart starting some avoidable flame wars?

generalrusty78 US (4)

2018-04-12 15:02

It's no shock that a country in which a man had no qualms about dressing in a canary-yellow thong would know how to produce vehicles that get you noticed. The Carbonizzare is the ultimate sports car for the millionaire who wants people to know that they're a millionaire.

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