Nissan Skyline





Surname: Zirconium Stratum

Chassis: R32

Mk: 8

Class: Wagon

Origin: JP Japan

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Contributor: speedfreak975

Contributor: speedfreak975

Contributor: mrmundy555


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ChaseJett

2021-10-09 06:17
Silnev wrote


We did end it, there was a vote on the matter a year ago on the discord as to what it is and 'nissan skyline' won the vote.


Oof... My bad. I guess I was living under a rock


AU Silnev

2021-10-08 21:56
ChaseJett wrote
If Y'all really wanna end this.


We did end it, there was a vote on the matter a year ago on the discord as to what it is and 'nissan skyline' won the vote.
ChaseJett

2021-10-08 18:38
If Y'all really wanna end this, I would suggest looking at the car from a top down view. The original 2d era gta games were played from this perspective and from what I've seen, looking at the car from that perspective usually tells you what model they were trying to mimic.


US EEVEE(POKEMON)

2019-11-26 12:53
Please don't start another car war.


ES andarara

2019-02-27 05:38
I think it looks an Honda Accord Wagon or even a Subaru Impreza. Both from 90s.

But it matches with the Nissan Skyline in a way where we can tolerate that a Wagon edition never existed: its description says it was "limited edition". We can let that sink for a little bit: there's no Skyline Wagon. That's it but in-game there was a Wagon edition but it sold very poorly and only in LS so only a few units were ever made.

I'd prefer giving it a name rather than leaving it as "Made for game". All cars in GTA would be "Made for game" then!

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2019-02-27 05:44:08


JP airiosaka

2018-11-09 04:05
Agree, and put "Custom-made Wagon" in extra info.


CN tunedricer

2018-11-06 02:14
Or we could list it as custom.


HU Mathias98

2018-11-05 23:02
I think the site should have a universal rule for vehicles like this.
Because while this car can't be listed as a Skyline since it's a wagon, there are a lot of non-existing vehicles listed such as:
Mitsubishi Eclipse sedan:
/vehicle.php?id=121987
Cadillac Eldorado sedan:
/vehicle.php?id=110640
Dodge Challenger pickup:
/vehicle.php?id=145848
Chevrolet Monte Carlo sedan:
/vehicle.php?id=1506
And many others...

I think either each, or none of these should be listed as Made For Game. Listing one as MFG, but not the others (or vice versa) sounds quite illogical.


MX Gagarsa06

2018-11-05 21:54
TrueCrime wrote


How about... NO!
It's MFG and it stays listed as MFG. Please do not start this back up.
And I fixed your quote. Don't type like that again. It's against the rules about capitalization and spelling.

If it has to be listed as MFG it should stay like that.
PS: Stop making fun of the user's writing ability. That's against the rules, also.


FR twingo

2018-11-05 20:05
This is R32 undoubtedly.

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2018-11-05 20:48:46


IT Automotive Gaming

2018-11-05 20:01
TrueCrime wrote


How about... NO!
It's MFG and it stays listed as MFG. Please do not start this back up.
And I fixed your quote. Don't type like that again. It's against the rules about capitalization and spelling.


how about calm down nobody want to shoot you with gun sorry but i am italian not from england is not my native language

what do you think about sultan rs lexus is300 coupe that dont exist? it is not mfg and this is mfg make no sense


IT Automotive Gaming

2018-11-05 11:06
this have to be listed as r32 like sultan rs is listed as lexus is300
lexus is300 coupe dont exist in real life but people have no problem about that so stratum must be listed as skyline r32


RO LilSlimC

2018-09-27 21:04
direct_UA wrote
m4g my ass


no, it's m4g because it's a mix of Accord and R32


UA direct_UA

2018-09-16 12:19
m4g my ass


US generalrusty78

2018-04-12 17:44
Don't miss this opportunity to snap up a Classic Stratum station wagon at a bargain price. A short-lived Zirconium model that was plagued with bad reviews... Or as we like to call it, Limited Edition!


LB speedfreak975

2018-03-26 22:01
So nissan R32 , custom class because this is clearly a R32 with some accord influences....but pretty sure edit wont be accepted


Edit: what puzzles me most is the fact that people think a parody should mimic the subject 100 percent. Its fictional if R* made elegy a cabrio would the same fight occur.....

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BR Rodrigo

2018-03-25 18:14
Speedevil wrote


I guess that makes sense. It's not a Stagea either as the rest of the car doesn't fit (and I don't think you can easily put a R32 front fascia on a Stagea anyway).

Yeah, it's a Skyline R32, but with custom body, that implies in a custom label category. I really don't know the problem to identify this car, everyone can see this is clearly a R32, that's why we need to classify in that way, under the custom class.


BE Speedevil

2018-03-25 18:06
Rodrigo wrote

Still a Skyline R32. But custom, not sedan. It's simple.


I guess that makes sense. It's not a Stagea either as the rest of the car doesn't fit (and I don't think you can easily put a R32 front fascia on a Stagea anyway).

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ES alatriste2003

2018-03-25 18:05
For me, looks like a 4-door R32 Skyline. I know doesn't exist a Skyline wagon, but I think it's a better match than a Honda or Subaru :/


BR Rodrigo

2018-03-25 18:01
Speedevil wrote


That doesn't exist.

Still a Skyline R32. But custom, not sedan. It's simple.


BE 64-46 BMW

2018-03-25 12:34
Something about its side screams SAAB to me. Rest of it looks like some Honda/Subaru estate.


twilight sparkplug

2018-03-25 12:07
I always assumed it was meant to be something generic and common in the US. Like an accord.

With influences from things like skylines.
www.accordwagonclub.com/profile_images/full/9478_1266958883.jpg

I once designed a car to be a generic hatchback that looked pretty much like a late 90s civic.
But yes. It looks like a skyline. It also looks like an Accord. and a Subaru.
I am not really sure where to go from here?


TR skyhill53

2018-03-25 10:36
Speedevil wrote


That doesn't exist.

I know but it seems like that. Look at the Stratum word on the trunk, the R32 has the Skyline word in the same font.


LB speedfreak975

2018-03-24 17:32
We said this a million freaking times....its a parody so if can be a nissan R32 the fact its a wagon really doesnt change that. A modder made sedan version of this car and its exactly like 4 door R32

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BE Speedevil

2018-03-24 17:29
skyhill53 wrote
It is a Skyline R32 wagon.


That doesn't exist.


TR skyhill53

2018-03-24 16:59
It is a Skyline R32 wagon.


BR Rodrigo

2018-03-21 01:19
this is clearly a custom R32 wagon... everyone can see this.

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2018-03-21 01:20:04


LB speedfreak975

2018-03-20 20:12
I would prefer unknown than MFG...saying this MFG is a joke


UK Tuppence870

2018-03-20 20:08
speedfreak975 wrote
Feel free anything beats MFG because this is clearly looks like certain cars that i will not name not to start a war


I had tried a discrete edit earlier in the week but it didn't get through. Oh well, let's hope the admin gods are more forgiving this time.


LB speedfreak975

2018-03-20 19:51
Feel free anything beats MFG because this is clearly looks like certain cars that i will not name not to start a war


UK Tuppence870

2018-03-20 19:43
Has enough time passed yet that we can list this correctly again?

It wasn't too long ago that pretty much everybody was in agreement on Skyline and then one person made the edit to Accord without explanation and now we have this situation.
StratosRallyeRacer18

2017-07-09 17:59
Let's just keep it MFG and that's it.

Although, it does roughly resemble an Accord wagon, if you omit the R32 indicators


UPDATE: You might want to take a look at this Burn Rubber: www.gta5-mods.com/vehicles/stratum-coupe-tuners-and-outlaws

It's a mod but I'll let you decide before I put it as a Skyline

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BR Rodrigo

2017-06-28 01:46
Speedevil wrote


He didn't say they existed in real life.


exactly!


BE Speedevil

2017-06-27 20:54
Aginnon wrote

No Skyline R32 wagons existed whatsoever...except if it was modified.


He didn't say they existed in real life.


CZ Aginnon

2017-06-27 20:42
Rodrigo wrote
nice, a Skyline R32 wagon :)

No Skyline R32 wagons existed whatsoever...except if it was modified.


BR Rodrigo

2017-06-26 21:53
nice, a Skyline R32 wagon :)


CZ Aginnon

2017-03-08 16:05
Keep it as it was; MFG, a mixture of multiple wagons, and Burn Rubber is right; there's no such thing that a R32 wagon exists... unless it's modified or not!


HK BrianMak

2017-01-16 05:29
No more wars, just a generic Japanese Wagon.

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Ridgeline562

2017-01-15 12:39
Jesus... first the Vulcar Ingot, now the Zirconium Stratum causes a war? These estates must have a curse on them...


DE Zordid

2017-01-09 16:13
It's the only wagon worth driving in GTA :D

But the tuning parts are random... Thank you Cockstar
SI Lightwader

2017-01-09 15:54
You know, despite this whole shitstorm that happened over this car, it's a decent set of wheels - it's got great acceleration for a family car and the AWD layout gives it a sure-footed, planted feel on and off the road. :lol:

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2017-01-09 15:56:46


KP Razor440

2016-04-13 02:57
:lol: Interesting. I always thought it was a Skyline myself.


UK Tuppence870

2015-12-06 22:51
I guess that does clear things up. I was disappointed that you appeared to disregard the value of my work. I had tried very hard to keep it as fair as possible, as with all vehicles in these games, this is a mixture. Personally, I don't believe the taillights, black plastic and wagon area (all of which have to be modified to match up to the Stratum) are more notable than the wealth of details that match perfectly with the Skyline.

I'm still a little confused about the beige line you're talking about, since the beige line is on the hood. Perhaps you mean the pale green line that runs the length of the car? That does appear on the Stratum in the same spot as the Skyline (which I had previously explained as the feature that sold me on the Skyline), but it's not visible under certain lighting conditions. You can see it more clearly here:



Also, here's something I'd wanted to do before but didn't have a good base image for - an overlay of what could be attributed to Subaru or Skyline within the Stratum. Obviously, this doesn't account for elements not visible in side view. Skyline is represented in red, Subaru in blue, places where both could apply are purple and places that don't match either are black:



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PL Tycek

2015-12-06 21:00
Tuppence870 wrote

Tycek, I'm not going to dignify that with a full response.

I'm fully aware of the points you're making, because I've made them myself. If you want your answers, go back and look for them and stop wasting my time.


Tuppence, I wasn't even talking about that debate. I agreed with you back in October "I've seen your evidence and I can agree about some of them, but at the same time I think you are trying to hard to push your opinion. This car is clearly a mix between Impreza, Accord and Skyline, so we should really make a consensus instead of trying to push one car over the other here, because there always will be someone who will not agree with the final result of the debate." and I'm not trying to stir up any shit here. I was posting clues about it being a Subaru, to make it clear this car is not 100% Skyline. If you want it to be listed as Skyline, so be it. I didn't changed it, locked it or do other things that would be considered as against your points, did I?

And I was saying about some general rule "And some rules regarding this new double standard has to be set, because right now it seems that car will be identify as person who screams the loudest wants." to prevent us from any more situations. How about posting a guess and showing some proof confirming it? I was talking generally here, we got this page to have logical debates, as they were done in the past where people were actually trying to identify the car instead of creating drama rama all over the page.

Debate about Skyline may be considered as finished to the point when someone brings some real proof of this being different car. How about that? And rule about different standard has to be set, because currently we're identifying the cars however people like.

Proposition about setting the rules was written here as we don't have the forums we could use for some debate and since it's pretty crowded place why not talk about it here and now.

@JFK
I would like to see the morphing if you have the time and will to do it.

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UK Tuppence870

2015-12-06 20:41
Tycek wrote
because right now it seems that car will be identify as person who screams the loudest wants.

Tycek, I'm not going to dignify that with a full response.

I'm fully aware of the points you're making, because I've made them myself. If you want your answers, go back and look for them and stop wasting my time.


CZ JFK

2015-12-06 19:08
Tycek wrote
Stop being a goddamnit drama queen. Nobody is fighting a war here, people are not dying. But if any debate has to be turned into a war, maybe it's better to slap any name on the car and call it a day, because it was identified after all.

And some rules regarding this new double standard has to be set, because right now it seems that car will be identify as person who screams the loudest wants.

I am on your side Tycek. I can do a morph of Allante and a Primo if you want to. I saw in Stratum a Skylene, so I am completly okay with Primo/Allante. After all Tahoma from GTA: SA is listed as Monte Carlo with two extra doors
PL Tycek

2015-12-06 19:01
Stop being a goddamnit drama queen. Nobody is fighting a war here, people are not dying. But if any debate has to be turned into a war, maybe it's better to slap any name on the car and call it a day, because it was identified after all.

And some rules regarding this new double standard has to be set, because right now it seems that car will be identify as person who screams the loudest wants.
US AutoTracker

2015-12-06 18:55
Oh god, please don't start the Primo Wars. We just finished with this and then we have to deal with that... Unbelieveable.
PL Tycek

2015-12-06 18:41
Tuppence870 wrote


I had mentioned the black plastic on the rear shot, and it is one of few details that does seem similar with the Subaru, however there is a lot more in common with the Skyline. Not only that but the plastic on the Stratum runs around the whole car, but on the Subaru there are large gaps between the front/rear and the wheel arches, so I wouldn't say it's a close match and certainly not enough to disregard everything else.

As for the window thing, I think you're talking about the curve between the C-pillar and the bottom of the rear window? I had marked that on the frontal shot but forgot to add it at the rear. From the front it appears to match with both vehicles, but from the rear it was hard to deduce the effect on the Skyline since it has no window to use as a frame of reference.


Black stripes running around the car, with gaps or without them are still better than no gaps at all and Skyline has none. Also if you look on pic I posted the link for, you realize that some Subarus got that black stripe on the front bumper with turn signals incorporated into, which was never present on any Skyline.

And I was talking about the tan/beige line you had on your pictures. Both Stratum and Impreza got glasshouse much narrower that the rest of the body which creates visible line on the side of the body. Skyline doesn't have anything like that.

Funny how you completely disregard taillights look, which are almost the same as on Subaru, just with additional segment added.

I am not saying it's not Skyline. I am saying it's a hodgepodge between two cars. And what is percentage of importance of both of them?

Also if this is Skyline, then this igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=59384 is Allante. Talking about double standards.
US AutoTracker

2015-12-06 16:51
This, the Elegy, and the Warrener are all Skylines (even though the Elegy technically isn't a Skyline). I'm happy the Stratum Wars are over (hopefully) :)


ES alatriste2003

2015-12-06 16:30
So at least it's a Skyline R32. I'm happy now xD. Interesting, in GTA V there are three differents Nissan Skylines. I hope there is peace now ;)


UK Tuppence870

2015-12-06 11:48
Tycek wrote
Not to be picky, but you took wrong Subaru to comparison. It's actually this one: www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/CIMG0449.jpg with the black stipes on doors and front bumper, which are obviously present on Stratum as well (just slightly longered).

Line of the back narrowing right below the window also seems, to fit as well as some minor details.


I had mentioned the black plastic on the rear shot, and it is one of few details that does seem similar with the Subaru, however there is a lot more in common with the Skyline. Not only that but the plastic on the Stratum runs around the whole car, but on the Subaru there are large gaps between the front/rear and the wheel arches, so I wouldn't say it's a close match and certainly not enough to disregard everything else.

As for the window thing, I think you're talking about the curve between the C-pillar and the bottom of the rear window? I had marked that on the frontal shot but forgot to add it at the rear. From the front it appears to match with both vehicles, but from the rear it was hard to deduce the effect on the Skyline since it has no window to use as a frame of reference.
SI Lightwader

2015-12-06 10:17
Jesus, first the Ingot, now the Sultan causes a massive, further-more-aggressive discussion? Station wagons must have a curse on them. :/
PL Tycek

2015-12-06 09:20
Not to be picky, but you took wrong Subaru to comparison. It's actually this one: www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/CIMG0449.jpg with the black stipes on doors and front bumper, which are obviously present on Stratum as well (just slightly longered).

Line of the back narrowing right below the window also seems, to fit as well as some minor details.

Also what happened here?
Burn Rubber wrote
There.

Is.

No.

Licensed.

SKYLINE WAGON!!!
So stop trying to change it to one!

For the love of god, Im sick of this already.

Im fine with either Accord or Subaru. Because, THEY EXIST!!!

No official R32 Wagons were made. Ergo, It is NOT allowed on IGCD.

And don't start with the Sileighty shit again because 500 official ones were made.

It is not a R32 Wagon. Period.





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US AutoTracker

2015-12-06 02:00
Good. Let's hope this is the end of the Stratum Wars...


UK Tuppence870

2015-12-06 01:52
JFK wrote
http://i.imgur.com/8H8iPNw.gif?1
I think morph gif is quite clear, I hope I saved some Tuppences time.


Thanks for that :). Although the morph doesn't seem to be working perfectly at the rear, that's saved me a lot of time and probably done a better job than what I've finally cobbled together.



I had wanted to go a bit further with this one, but I figured I'd just get something quick done before I put it off again. Although I am supporting the Nissan (with good reason), I've tried to give the Subaru a fair chance.




As you can see, there is a lot at the front of this vehicle that points towards Skyline, not just the headlights. Most notably is the feature line down the side, which runs an identical course both in-game and in reality, and is paired with a similarly identical shoulder over the rear wheel.

The shape of the cabin area between the A and C pillars is very similar (although the Nissan is obviously missing a D-pillar), with geometric edges surrounding the sides and a roof that begins flat at the top of the windscreen.

The hood bends downward in a single, flowing arc, and it has a bulge in the centre that runs the length of the hood, but doesn't reach the headlights/grille.




The Subaru, while similar, has almost no influence on the front. The Subaru does have a feature line on the side, but it begins much earlier at the headlight, rather than the front wheel. Similarly, the Subaru lacks an additional shoulder line over the rear wheel.

The Subaru's cabin is similar, but much more rounded in its approach. Notably, the roof still rises higher above the windscreen, as it is slightly domed. The side windows follow suit, but also have curved and right-angled bottoms to their lines, while the Stratum has sharp, triangular angles. There is also a new line present that runs parallel to the curved base of the windscreen, terminating almost a third of the way into the hood. This is not a feature of the Stratum.

The hood is also flatter, but with a more noticeable curve downwards at the front end, while the hood bulge is wider and runs to the bottom of the grille.

As for the D-pillar (the wagon part), while it is present on the Subaru (unlike the Nissan), it follows a different shape to the Stratum. The Stratum's trunk is much longer and curves gracefully to the back, while the Subaru's is short and stubby, creating a higher angle with the rear.

Neither vehicle has the front bumper of the Stratum, although the shape is possibly similar to the Nissan and the indicator position is possibly similar to the Subaru.




As we move rearward, some differences appear with the Skyline, but it is still faithful. The relative positions and distances between elements like the bottom of the window, both top edges of the bumper, taillight positions and the position of the indented line are very similar between the Stratum and Skyline. Text and badging also appear in similar positions (although Stratum/Skyline appear on opposite sides of the indented line). The "STRATUM" font is also similar to the "SKYLINE" font.

The taillights do show some differences. The pattern is not the same, despite a similar outline. Also, the Stratum's lights curve around the side more than the Skyline's. The shape of this rear area is also different, as the Skyline's is a smooth curve, while the Stratum has a straight-up followed by a sharper curve.

While it is proportionally correct, the bumpers are quite different, as the Skyline's cuts away earlier and doesn't feature a plastic strip. Details like license plate positions and exhausts are identical across all 3 cars.




The Subaru does appear to be similar in some areas. These include the bumper, which is now taller and has plastic strips. But this is also deeper, along with other elements like taillights and the indented line, which are no longer positioned with the Stratum as successfully as the Skyline was. While the word "SUBARU" is positioned correctly, it is not as wide as on the Stratum and all other text is incorrectly placed.

The taillight pattern, although visually similar, is not identical. The shape does wrap around the sides, but is shorter on the back face and is sometimes right-angled rather than curved.

The wagon issues brought up earlier are now more obvious, as the Subaru's rear windscreen rises almost vertically while the Stratum's curves away dramatically to a horizontal plane. However, the shape of the area below is similar, with a curved shape followed by a flatter one.



And now we move to one final detail. Some variants of the Stratum (those with a spoiler), claim that a 2.6l Twin Turbo sits under the hood. Only one production car has ever left a factory with that engine. That engine is the Nissan RB26DETT, which was used in the Nissan Skyline GT-R from 1989-2002.



As I said previously, this car is a mix of Japanese sports sedans, including the Subaru, but predominantly the Nissan Skyline R32 Sedan is king. If my work here doesn't convince you, I'm afraid nothing will. But let's hope for the best.



LB speedfreak975

2015-12-06 01:32
So what's going on here I'm too lazy to read is this going to be skyline or accord because made for game is quite ridiculous honestly


CZ JFK

2015-12-05 23:59

I think morph gif is quite clear, I hope I saved some Tuppences time.

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US Black Bart

2015-11-29 23:31
How 'bout we file it back as a Honda Accord Wagon, like it was for over two years and leave it alone.


UK Tuppence870

2015-11-29 18:53
I don't want to sound rude, but with every complaint you're making here, you're just putting more fuel on the fire. You've somehow created an argument about having arguments. Unless you've actually got something to say about the car, calm down and avoid the caps lock key.

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US GeoZR177

2015-11-29 18:30
All i can say about this arguement is just wow.


UK Tuppence870

2015-11-29 18:26
Your caps lock to exclamation mark ratio is off the charts, and you posted 5 times on this page last night, practically overreacting to every comment that got posted.

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UK Tuppence870

2015-11-29 18:05
I guess that explains it, but the new car is quite different to that car. I shouldn't have to say this, but we should identify cars based on what they are currently, not what they were in previous iterations.

And honestly, this is much less of a s**tshow than Burn Rubber is making it out to be..

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US NismoR35

2015-11-29 17:27
It's because of this car. which was why it was relatively fine in being a Honda until IV came around. Even we never had this bad of a shit show on the IV page as well.

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UK Tuppence870

2015-11-29 16:31
Black Bart wrote
Wasn't this fine enough being a Honda?


Because it has no relation to the Honda. Not really sure how it got that identification in the first place.

As previously established, it is entirely a Nissan Skyline R32 Sedan aside from the obvious wagon section. For some, that is enough to say that it could never be a Skyline, and were pushing the similar but arguably less accurate Subaru Impreza Wagon. Because no agreement was made, it has remained as Made for Game.

I had planned to create and post a detailed analysis to prove this once and for all, but I've been very pressed for time due to work. Maybe once that work is over (December 5th), I'll finally be able to sort this thing out.

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US Black Bart

2015-11-29 15:44
Wasn't this fine enough being a Honda?

BTW, I don't Rockstargames isn't aware of this site. Besides, no vehicle in the GTA franchise has ever resembled a real-life vehicle, down to the make, model and year 100%.

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PL Tycek

2015-11-29 10:34
Now you can see the moderator's problems you were hearing about.


UK Tuppence870

2015-11-28 23:25
For those who didn't catch it, I'm about a week away from this damn work deadline that's been holding back my free time. Once that's over, I'll try to explain this in the clearest way I can using whatever I need. It might be a little anticlimactic after the wait, but it should be enough to explain the reality of this car.


US NismoR35

2015-11-28 23:16
My god. How about just forgetting this car completely, it's a waste of time of trying to have a fit over something so trivial and stupid that it's not going to do any good in the end. I don't give a shit if it's a Skyline, I don't give a shit if it's a Honda or a Subaru, I'm just done seeing people bringing this car up constantly. I'm sick of having been reminded of this shit show every time I encounter one in GTA. It's obvious that some people still stand hard to their opinions, and it's not going to really stop if people continue to argue.


IT Automotive Gaming

2015-11-28 22:22
Just list it as a Nissan Skyline sedan and you're done.
I tell you why:
We have the GTA4 Sultan: www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=10165
Which is a Lexus IS
And then we have the GTA4 Sultan RS:
www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=12950
Which is a 3 door Lexus IS and no one complained about that even if a 3 door Lexus IS never existed, so no one else will ever complain about listing the Stratum as a Nissan Skyline Sedan.

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US AutoTracker

2015-11-28 21:45
There's no OFFICIAL Skyline Wagon. This ends HERE and NOW. Seriously, why is it that GTA's station wagons are hot topic of controversy on this site?


ES alatriste2003

2015-10-23 20:11
Tuppence870 wrote


Sorry about that. Unfortunately on the internet, it's not easy to tell the difference between a sarcastic joke and a seriously misinformed post.

It doesn't matter ;)
The description of the Brand in GTAs Wikia says it could be a reference to Diamond-Star Motors, a joint venture between the Chrysler Corporation and Mitsubishi Motors Corporation. I don't Know if is true, but could be.
Regards.
BR pato

2015-10-20 00:29
It's an 4 door Skyline R32, with an 1989-1993 Honda Accord Wagon rear, even the rear lights are the similar, but it's windows shapes are from the Subaru Legacy GF.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-19 20:35
alatriste2003 wrote
It was only a joke. Relax man.


Sorry about that. Unfortunately on the internet, it's not easy to tell the difference between a sarcastic joke and a seriously misinformed post.


ES alatriste2003

2015-10-19 18:30
Tuppence870 wrote


I'm so done. I don't know which part of that is dumber - the fact you still think Nissan actually made an R32 wagon, or the fact you think you're the only one who thinks it's an R32.



It was only a joke. Relax man. I know that Nissan never have done a Skyline wagon (although they've done a 4 door Skyline). You needn't be impolite.
At least it isn't listed as an Honda Accord...

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yabush1

2015-10-19 16:08
Seriously guys, please just leave this thread until Tuppence can get this worked out.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-19 13:04
Attacker1997 wrote
This isn't Made For Game


Could anybody looking at this car just read the comments, okay?

TL;DR for the lazy:

1) Nissan never made an R32 wagon, so can't be listed that way.

2) This car is a mixture of elements from the Nissan Skyline R32 Sedan and Subaru Impreza Hatchback/Wagon.

3) I am currently working on some evidence to find out which of those two has a bigger influence.

Burn Rubber wrote
Actually, Tuppence? Where did you get that morphy picture thingy? I can do the picture if I have it.


I'm working on it. Let me deal with it, since I already have images that I've taken in-game to match with real photographs of each vehicle.

By the end of this week, it won't be Made For Game any longer.

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ES alatriste2003

2015-10-19 09:57
I'm the only one that still thinks it is a Skyline R32 Wagon? :D


BR Attacker1997

2015-10-19 00:06
This isn't Made For Game


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-17 21:02
And I'm sorry too. I was just saying how Tycek's argument is a bit more intriguing than yours.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-17 20:06
It's definitely an Impreza/Skyline mix (I don't think the Accord really comes into it), but I think its predominately more Skyline than Impreza and my research will probably support that when ready. Your single image was already 10x better than the "there was no licensed R32 Wagon!" nonsense, and until you posted that I thought somebody was just trolling by renaming the car every time we got it where we wanted it to be, especially since the vast majority of people both on this page and in GTA IV agree with the R32 classification. I don't think Made For Game is appropriate here since this vehicle is based on at least one real vehicle and is not totally alien (like every car in that new Transformers game), but I understand why you've put it there. Really we just need to come to an agreement on this and list it as the result.

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PL Tycek

2015-10-17 18:27
I've seen your evidence and I can agree about some of them, but at the same time I think you are trying to hard to push your opinion. This car is clearly a mix between Impreza, Accord and Skyline, so we should really make a consensus instead of trying to push one car over the other here, because there always will be someone who will not agree with the final result of the debate.

I am not denying that this car has strong clues about being R32, but for me there are not strong enough to mark it as Nissan. And I am not that hard to convince if your proof is strong enough. I am working full time as well, but I like to visit the page from time to time, to change some names or moderate something else. Yet I found some time to make this picture showing the modified Impreza.

I am not sure what happened to it, but it seems like my whole post was deleted without any explanation or point it should be deleted for. I can post it again, but I don't know if there's a point if somebody is clearly working against any kind of debate.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-17 12:01
Clearly you misunderstand me. I've already put a fair amount of evidence further up the page and it amounts to a lot more than just "I'm right and you're wrong". You either haven't read it or have chosen to ignore it, so I suggest that you go back and read it again, if you can. You've got to remember that I previously lobbied for this vehicle to be a Subaru, and I know exactly why anybody would believe that, because I once believed it myself. However, I've seen evidence to the contrary that would strongly suggest a different outcome and I've presented some of that evidence above in the quickest way I could.

I'm currently planning to present a full analysis of this vehicle as soon as it's ready, but it takes time to do and I still need to gather some resources. I have work to do in my real life that is of much greater importance than a stupid argument on the internet. When I have some free time, I will do this, but until then you'll just have to work with what I've already given you, which for some people is already sufficient.

Also, I'm not sure what happened to the Impreza image you posted yesterday? It made an interesting point that I was ready to analyse, but now all trace of it has been removed...

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PL Tycek

2015-10-17 09:05
Tuppence870 wrote
It's really painful that I know exactly how to prove this one, once and for all... but I don't have time to gather my evidence right now. Can I put this on hold until I get some free time to devote to this? Or should I just give up now since this is Tycek I'm dealing with, the one person who would never change his mind even with the most concrete evidence in the universe :(


So are we going to throw ad hominems right now? Hard to believe your proof if everything you have it "I'm right just because, and you're wrong."

And don't forget childish way to move away from the problem. "I could do it, but I don't have time or will or God know what else right now." Either prove it for good or don't start an arguments to create a debate you don't want to participate in.

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UK Tuppence870

2015-10-17 02:09
It's really painful that I know exactly how to prove this one, once and for all... but I don't have time to gather my evidence right now. Can I put this on hold until I get some free time to devote to this? Or should I just give up now since this is Tycek I'm dealing with, the one person who would never change his mind even with the most concrete evidence in the universe :(


LB speedfreak975

2015-10-16 20:57
R32 Nissan Skyline Sedan (GXi, GTE, GTS-t, GTS4, GTS25) it's either one of these


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-16 17:53
...and now it's a Honda again. I guess the best way to deal with this is to just leave it as it is and come back once everybody's forgotten about it.


LB speedfreak975

2015-10-16 17:14
WHAT. THE. HELL , for the last f******** time this can never ever be a impreza. look at the car's dimensions its tooooo tall. its a 90% skyline r32 like it or not. if you want it to be a subaru okay atleast make it a legacy.... more believable. The real car and parody dont need to share body style.
US GeoZR177

2015-10-16 17:07
Tuppence870 wrote
I'm not going to ask how this happened, or who is resposible, but I am very disappointed.

Yep, here we go again


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-16 16:27
I'm not going to ask how this happened, or who is resposible, but I am very disappointed.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-16 01:22
No worries :)


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-16 00:50
Burn Rubber wrote
Okay... To be honest im tired of this argument. But it has to be classed as custom. Although I'd feel better if I had one of those morphing pictures I've seen here before. (Transitions from one pic to another in a morph-y way?)


I don't have the morphing software installed anymore :(

But anyway, I will be listing this as a wagon body style for now, since that is how it is displayed in the game. I think JFK made a good point on why custom wouldn't be quite right for this vehicle.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-16 00:29
These images should show what I'm talking about. You see that thick line over the rear wheel? That is the unique and often overlooked shoulder line of the Stratum. The way it becomes wider over the rear wheel is similar to how some cars like the Audi quattro or Lancia Delta use their shoulder-line design to emphasise their strong traction and an aggressive stance. Very few cars have this feature, but one that does is the Nissan Skyline R32 Sedan, which has the exact same shape and position as the one seen on the Stratum. You may also notice that the A, B and C Pillar (ignoring the Stratum's wagon D-Pillar) are identical between the Skyline and Stratum.

I would like to change this back to the Nissan Skyline R32 Sedan, as it rightfully should be. Do I have your permission?


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-15 23:54
Burn Rubber wrote
Just don't call it a R32 and all will go well. :lol:


But it is an R32. It's an R32 Sedan in every sense aside from the wagon body style. Take away that extra section of the cabin, and you have a perfect copy of that R32 Sedan. No, there is no R32 wagon in reality. I'm not saying there is, or there ever will be. But this car is still built upon that R32 Sedan. It's not a Honda. It's not a Subaru. It's a Nissan, but with one notable difference.

May I remind you of this car in Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It shares all of the features of the Volkswagen L1 Concept car, but for a long time it was considered a Made For Game due to its cab-forward body style, which was the only difference to the more conventional body of the VW. Later, a developer who worked on that game confirmed it to be a VW L1 and it has stayed that way ever since.

This is a very similar case, and I'm sure if a developer was here, they'd back me up on this. The Stratum has very unique body sides. It's not immediately obvious from the screenshots above, but if you look at this car in-game, you'll find massive shoulder-lines over the wheel arches, which was unlike anything I'd ever seen... until I discovered the 4-door R32 Sedan. No other car has those exaggerated shoulders, but the R32 Sedan does.

This is an R32 Sedan that the developer has modified through their own creative freedom to have a wagon rear. I can't stress that enough, but as long as you still have the mindset that the wagon elements are the be-all and end-all, this car will never see a correct identification.

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UK Tuppence870

2015-10-15 23:03
Looks like it's been changed back, and it's editable again.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-15 19:14
Exactly, but we all know how hard it used to be to get anything changed around here. I thought that since Rinspeed still has to approve every change that gets made, we wouldn't need measures like this. Most of us know what this car is supposed to be and have been arguing for it since 2008, but now it would take an act of god for this car to be listed correctly.


CZ JFK

2015-10-15 18:54
Well the fact of this is M4G is not good, but locking it to not change by users is a wise solution. Because admin can be easilly pissed off that car is changed very often. I think that big part of members are for Skyline, so it would make bigger sence to list it as R32 and leave this page once and for all.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-15 18:48
Well that is very disappointing. One user's disagreement with an easily provable solution (which I was prepared to pursue) and now Tycek has fulfilled his Made For Game fantasies yet again and everything is worse than before.

Good job everyone.


CZ JFK

2015-10-15 18:26
Lol, Tycek solved it :D Locked as M4G and non-adimins can not edit it at all :lol:
PL Tycek

2015-10-15 18:19
Now you've done it. Have a nice day then.


US NismoR35

2015-10-15 16:41
My god the insanity this has ensued. Not sure if I'm bothered enough to make popcorn while reading.


LB speedfreak975

2015-10-15 13:04
Burn Rubber wrote
There.

Is.

No.

Licensed.

SKYLINE WAGON!!!
So stop trying to change it to one!

For the love of god, Im sick of this already.

Im fine with either Accord or Subaru. Because, THEY EXIST!!!

No official R32 Wagons were made. Ergo, It is NOT allowed on IGCD.

And don't start with the Sileighty shit again because 500 official ones were made.

It is not a R32 Wagon. Period.


lets get one thing straight, the sil80 in nfs is a whole different case, just compare it with GT6. GT6 u actually buy it from the dealership stock. in nfs u dont its really simple but for some reason people made a big deal off of it. bottom line sil80 in nfs has to go logically. Custom class exists for a reason, i knw it might not have been intended for this but lets be fair the cars its intended to can be counted on my fingers

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LB speedfreak975

2015-10-15 12:58
the car doesnt have to share same body design (eg. station in thid case) as the car its inspired by. the custom class exists for a reason its for the unofficial (illegal) cars that are built by the community. if we want to take custom as cars without chassis then almost every MADE for game car will be that or we will simply have no custom entries. custom is basically a car that is based off a stock car (because like it or not every custom car is) . for example RWB belongs to the custom class


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-15 12:31
Racedriver43 wrote
So should I just set it as the Skyline R32 GTS-t?


I already put the request through to list it as a Skyline [R32] Sedan. If you know a more accurate designation, you can add that later if you want.
US GeoZR177

2015-10-15 04:28
Burn Rubber wrote
Oh my god are you serious? That was a joke...

Just providing facts
US GeoZR177

2015-10-15 04:22
Burn Rubber wrote
NOT LEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im talking about the last four: Ford was actually a major manufacturer of tanks and other vehicles during World War II, Honda does have a subsidiary called HondaJet that produces airplanes, General Motors surprisingly helped design the M16 and there is a pic of a Lotus Europa converted into a speedboat (not sure about that one)
US GeoZR177

2015-10-15 04:13
Burn Rubber wrote
Dear god I am so damn done.
I am done trying to make sense out of IGCD and its users.

There is no R32 wagon officially.

Kids Heart's Sileighty is considered a official car.

Onevia's aren't.

You want to go around filling IGCD with false info? Fine! Freaking fine! Go ahead! Call this a R32 Wagon. Hell, Why not just make chesty a admin so this site gets even more screwed up than ever? What's next? The Ford tanks? Honda Airplanes? Lotus boats? Chevrolet guns? God I am so done!

I gotta ask did you look these "outrageous" examples up because each one does exist to an extent


IT Automotive Gaming

2015-10-15 03:43
Burn Rubber wrote
And Gran Turismo uses official cars. Not some GTA piece of crap.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sileighty

Read the History part.


I've linked that wiki page "ages" ago, go look @ the Sileighty entry of NFS 2015.
And it states what I said.

"...a Japanese auto shop, Kids Heart, to produce a small number of so-called "official" or "real" Nissan Sileighties. It is on record that 500 cars were made by this shop, and were only sold in 1998."

a.k.a. Kids Heart built them not Nissan. Can you stop this now? Thanks.

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IT Automotive Gaming

2015-10-15 03:30
LMFAO you played too much Gran Turismo boi, real life is different.
It's obvious these are listed as Nissan because are recognized by Nissan (only the ones modified by Kids Heart) but Nissan never built them.

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IT Automotive Gaming

2015-10-15 03:26
I totally agree about it being an R32.

Burn Rubber wrote
And don't start with the Sileighty shit again because 500 official ones were made.


To put an end on this, what you define "Sileighty" is just an RPS13 with a conversion made AFTER the car came out from the Nissan dealerships.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-15 00:11
This car is not licensed and never will be. Rockstar is allowed to do whatever they please when making cars for their game. In this case, it is perfectly clear that they took the existing Skyline R32 Sedan and added a wagon rear to it, because that's what they wanted to do. The Honda was never on the table and the Subaru only lends its taillights. This is a fictional game depicting fictional vehicles, and Rockstar is allowed to change whatever they please. We are here to find the most accurate identification of the vehicles they give us. They are not identical to real models, and a small mismatched area should not be enough to derail an otherwise perfect identification.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-14 23:39
Here's 5 minutes of Photoshop:



I've sent an edit request through to list this and the GTA IV version as a Nissan Skyline [R32] Sedan (since that is the base car), but with class set to wagon.

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CZ JFK

2015-10-14 22:54
I dont know why is there all the fuzz about fact that R32 wasnt as a wagon.

I will give you hint guys - GTA: San Anreas page, and look for a car that starts with "Tah" and ends with "oma". It is a 4-door Monte Carlo. And that is the joke: Monte Carlo was coupe only.

I am against this as Class: Custom. Custom cars are that cars, which bodywork is not easily recognisable. See Jay Ohrberg creations! This would be Nissan Skyline [R32] Class: Wagon.

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LB speedfreak975

2015-10-14 22:45
This thing is more of an accord than it is a subaru impreza, maybe legacy. Nissan R32 is better choice the picture provided by tuppence is proof

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UK Tuppence870

2015-10-14 22:40
It's more than just the front. Aside from the wagon rear, it is 100% Skyline.
US AutoTracker

2015-10-14 21:13
GeoZR177 wrote
I would have to agree with this being a Subaru, but not an Impreza, the Impreza was much shorter that this, I would say this is more of a mid-90's Legacy Wagon


I think this an Impreza but stretched to Legacy proportions and with a Skyline R32 front.


US NismoR35

2015-10-14 17:14
GeoZR177 wrote

The only problem I have calling Zirconium based on Subaru is that as of GTA V, Zirconium actually makes 2 vehicles, the Stratum and the Journey, aka the Walter White Winnebago, of course it could be a fluke


And don't forget, there's the Zirconium Building in IV which is based off of the Chrysler Building, would've been rather odd for a manufacturer that's based off of Subaru to "own" a building in a city like Liberty City.


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-14 11:15
Burn Rubber wrote
No. Custom Made is for licensed vehicles built without a base car. Anything else is just a customization. Which is not allowed.


No I'm not talking about "Custom Made", I'm talking about "Class: Cars, Custom". Cars such as this Fiat Marea that are just ordinary cars that have been modified in reality, then put into a game in that form.

The Subaru influence is very minor, but more significant than the Honda. However, if you study the sides of the car and how the body is shaped around the wheel arches, you can see that it bears a very strong resemblance to the Skyline R32 4dr. Even if you don't buy the custom R32 classification, you've got to admit that the Stratum is still heavily based in this sedan.



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US GeoZR177

2015-10-14 02:51
AutoTracker wrote
Yeah :D

The only problem I have calling Zirconium based on Subaru is that as of GTA V, Zirconium actually makes 2 vehicles, the Stratum and the Journey, aka the Walter White Winnebago, of course it could be a fluke
US GeoZR177

2015-10-14 02:42
I would have to agree with this being a Subaru, but not an Impreza, the Impreza was much shorter that this, I would say this is more of a mid-90's Legacy Wagon
US AutoTracker

2015-10-14 02:11
Yeah :D
US AutoTracker

2015-10-14 02:05
Plus, I finally found out what manufacture Zirconium is based on :D
US AutoTracker

2015-10-14 02:01
As for the car itself, I'd have to agree with you with what you said in GTA IV about to this car, this is a Subaru Impreza Wagon [GF]. You made a good point as to saying this is the only car made by Zirconium.
US AutoTracker

2015-10-14 01:58
Tuppence870 wrote


You do know this site has an actual vehicle class on IGCD called "Custom", right?

This is exactly why that exists, and honsestly very few people have ever advocated to make this car an Accord, even in GTA IV: www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=12519

It's almost identical to the custom Skyline posted earlier in this thread. After a bit of research, I've concluded that that car is in fact built upon an R32 4-door, so should be listed as such.


Well, like we disscussed, this car is not an OFFICIAL car made by a manufacturer. The Custom car class on IGCD is only meant for cars built from the ground up, and usually are licensed cars. GTA does not use licensed cars, thus there are no cars under the Custom class in GTA V.
US AutoTracker

2015-10-14 01:47
NismoR35 wrote
Oh god, not this stupid ass argument again, this is just like what happened with the Ingot.


Even worse, the 180SX / Silvia S13 / Sileighty in NFS 2015...


UK Tuppence870

2015-10-14 01:43
Burn Rubber wrote
Okay Im done with this "Someone built it!" Shit. If they made it, It's a customization! It's not a legal model. It has NO resemblance to the Stagea, Or R32. There were 500 official Sileighty's. meaning it can be listed on here. The is no legal R32 Wagon. Ergo, Not listed.


You do know this site has an actual vehicle class on IGCD called "Custom", right?

This is exactly why that exists, and honsestly very few people have ever advocated to make this car an Accord, even in GTA IV: www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=12519

It's almost identical to the custom Skyline posted earlier in this thread. After a bit of research, I've concluded that that car is in fact built upon an R32 4-door, so should be listed as such.

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LB speedfreak975

2015-10-14 01:07
there is a R32 stagea , built by a person like i said it would be custom made considering its one of a kind but it exists. Anyways do what u please. I think a more valid argument is the carbonizzare identity


US NismoR35

2015-10-14 00:30
Oh god, not this stupid ass argument again, this is just like what happened with the Ingot.


LB speedfreak975

2015-10-13 22:57
If this will be considered as a R32, then the correct name is R32 skyline stagea , and it falls under custom because it's custom made also what's this car drivetrain that will help in deciding

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PL sajmon14

2015-10-13 20:55
Racedriver43 wrote
How is this still the Accord? It's definitely an R32 Skyline Wagon.


there is no such car as R32 Skyline wagon

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UK Tuppence870

2015-08-10 21:38
GeoZR177 wrote

I agree it is a very underrated car in GTA i just wish the mods from GTA IV were available in V

They are available, but you can't change them yourself. If you want one with the spoiler, bumper lip or sunroof, you'll just have to get lucky and find the one you want on the streets.
US GeoZR177

2015-08-10 21:26
Lightwader wrote
I've always loved this car, ever since San Andreas. Great performance from an unsuspecting body shape. I have something for wagons in general.

I agree it is a very underrated car in GTA i just wish the mods from GTA IV were available in V
SI Lightwader

2015-08-10 17:54
I've always loved this car, ever since San Andreas. Great performance from an unsuspecting body shape. I have something for wagons in general.
UK salvation

2015-06-03 23:59
To me this is a combination of a Nissan Skyline(R32) and the rear of a Subaru Impreza.
I don't see much Honda in the mix of this car but it is meant to be an amalgamation of several Japanese cars.

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UK Tuppence870

2014-04-20 22:49
I think that because this is branded as Zirconium rather than Dinka, it should be listed as the Subaru.
FI og

2013-10-05 11:37
Yeah, if the Nissan Stagea would have been introduced when the Skyline R32 was in production, this would be one of them.
PL Tycek

2013-09-13 18:34
It's Subaru Impreza Wagon (body shape) mixed with Legacy Wagon (dimensions) and Nissan Skyline R32 (front). Even the manufacturer Zirconium fits.
FI RacerBest

2013-09-13 18:11
I think I saw this in the leaked strategy guide pictures, and thought this was Skyline R32. Front looks exactly same.

Edit: R32 Wagon :P

Yeah, I know, it's modification.

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EE krq9

2013-09-13 18:04
I agree, never thought of it as Honda either. I guess the reason it was listed as an Accord in IV was because earlier Stratum in San Andreas largely resembled a 5th generation Accord wagon. With this car, the only part that looks Honda to me is the slope of the rear window, which kind of reminds me of the sixth-generation Asian market Accord Wagon.


That's all I got, but I don't think it's enough to call it Honda.

I too think R32 Skyline is the closest match. They just made it into a wagon. Just like they added two (proper) doors to the FJ Cruiser.

I'm not sure if it can be listed as Nissan if the R32 never had a wagon, but it would still be better than Honda Accord.
challengerman123

2013-09-12 19:24
i always thought this was an r32 skyline wagon

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